The new world of slick podcasts isn’t just celebs patting themselves and their buds on the back in ‘interviews’, or a bunch of people with plenty of disposable income discussing pop culture (often drinking cups of tea too close to the mic). Really exciting things are happening – including the emergence of snappily-produced indie narratives that are starting to compete with big-budget audiobooks.

Oxford-based Nathan Peter Grassi is involved with several audio drama companies, and directs the alternate-reality Victorian techno-mystery ‘Victoriocity‘, so was well placed to talk through how independent producers construct, maintain and draw audiences to such podcasts.

He joined me in the studio, while BBC journalist Galya Dimitrova also joined to explore how new media platforms are helping anime expand into a traditionally ‘western’ demographic.

Listen to the full show on BBC Sounds: